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good tip...and if you're a real cheapskate [img]http://dashack.co.uk/go/Smileys/classic/eusa_whistle.gif[/img] Even the plastic freebies from petrol pumps can work wonders with thinner summer-whoops-I-shouldn't-have-worn-those-gloves..though it might be pushing it a bit to try those in the Pyrenees - E.T.